Build Family Confidence Through Intentional Challenges

Confidence gets talked about like it is a personality trait, but we see it as something you can train. The shift that changes everything is simple: confidence is not just believing you can do something, it is knowing you can handle something. When life gets heavy, that definition keeps you grounded because it focuses on resilience, adaptability, and mental stability rather than perfect outcomes.

We unpack why doing hard things builds credibility, and why credibility is the fuel behind lasting self belief. We get into the science and the mindset side of discomfort, then move into the practical skill set that makes “hard” productive instead of punishing. We talk breathwork for state control, self talk that actually works when you are tired, visualization for steadiness, and micro goals that turn overwhelming challenges into the next doable step. These are the same mental toughness tools we use in coaching, and they translate directly into work stress, parenting stress, and big personal goals.

Then we bring it home with real examples: family rucks (weighted hikes), carrying kettlebells, unexpected sidewalk planks, and even the cold tub routine that triggers instant resistance. The point is not extreme training. The point is consistency, awareness, and choosing discomfort with intention. Doing hard things together builds a “home team” culture that creates connection, shared identity, and conversations that stick around long after the workout ends.

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Why Hard Things Build Confidence

Heidi 0:00

Welcome back to the show.

Ryan 0:01

I am back. You're back. We're back. Let's go. You ready?

Heidi 0:04

I'm ready.

Ryan 0:05

What are we talking about today?

Heidi 0:06

Today we're talking about the value and the power of doing hard things as a family. Um, but for those who are single, this can benefit you too.

Ryan 0:17

Doing hard things.

Heidi 0:18

Yeah.

Ryan 0:18

I I've been doing a lot of uh work around confidence recently. You know, a couple of my clients, athletes, everybody talks about confidence, right? And the power of confidence. And so I've been kind of looking at like, man, all the things that lead to confidence. How do you coach confidence better? How do I get better at coaching confidence? How do I then also then, of course, I'm like, how do I become more confident myself and whatever, all the things? And you know, I used to think like confidence was like a part of like being for well-being and for performance, and there's this whole like confidence curve of like being overconfident. So like confidence and humility and all these different components. And so I've been working on a I'm working on a really exciting, it might this legitimately it's so big it might take me a couple of years, but I'm gonna work on like a three-year progression of like where do you start, what topics are necessary to discuss, what's what are the process mental skills, and where does credibility come into play with building confidence? So I love doing these type of like projects because it is forces me to explore and as a practitioner, but also then to get better at coaching.

Heidi 1:35

Yeah, I love that. I'm excited about some conversations around that too.

Ryan 1:39

There's gonna be a lot that comes from it.

Heidi 1:40

Yeah, yeah.

Ryan 1:41

A lot of nuances. It'll feel probably a little bit repetitive at times, but like that's that's what you have to do. So let's talk about credibility. What is credibility? Like the knowing that you can do hard things that come from the past or what you're presently doing or in the future, knowing that like yes, I can like this is my fundamental uh definition of confidence that I've come up with recently. It may morph and change and evolve, but not that I can do something, but that I can handle something. Like to go from performance, I'm gonna win, or I can build that thing, or I can execute X, or what I can I can do.

Heidi 2:19

Yeah.

Ryan 2:19

But I know that I'm somebody that is mentally stable, grounded, and centered enough and continues to grow and evolve and do hard things in a way that I know I can handle this.

Heidi 2:33

I love that because that speaks to the process and also the setbacks that can show up when you're doing it's not just about winning or achieving something, it's about handling any kind of adversity that comes up along

The Brain That Grows With Discomfort

Heidi 2:45

the way.

Ryan 2:45

Yeah, so you have to do hard things. A little bit of science. Let's go with a little bit of science first. That's where I my mind always goes first. I think I'm saying this right. Saw it on the Huberman podcast. Mid-singular cortex is a part of the brain that's I believe frontal lobe. I have I didn't research this right before the podcast, so I'm going off of memory. So I might be a little off. So if I'm a little off, excuse me. Somewhere uh frontal lobe-ish, this part of the brain gets bigger every time you do something you don't want to do. And if you shy away, it gets smaller. From a mindset perspective, I would consider this to be like being the buffalo, being the person who approaches challenges for the for the with the motivation of growing, right? Of just getting stronger, having that credibility of doing hard things. When you do hard things, then you know you can do hard things, and then now life doesn't seem quite so scary.

Heidi 3:45

Yeah.

Ryan 3:46

Like you again, coming back to that confidence uh definition, I can handle this.

Heidi 3:54

Yeah. And one of the questions I love to ask my clients is like, what's something hard that you've been through, done?

Ryan 4:00

Yeah.

Heidi 4:00

That you feel added to your confidence, that you feel added some credibility uh that you learn something from.

Ryan 4:09

Yeah. Because hard is not just physical. Hard is also could be physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, like any aspect, like it in a lot of times they're integrated, right? That something, and this is the value of doing hard things physically, is that it turns into mental and emotional. And as a former collegiate football coach, somebody who like really thought I understood mental toughness, and I actually recently have been kind of uh semi-questioned by a few people that um were connected to some of my clients who are like, yeah, what what is this really about? Like, what is this mental coaching? Like, is you know, isn't mental toughness just showing up and just doing the hard thing? And I'm like, I mean, yeah, but there's a lot that goes into it. And I used to think that, you know, making it so my players were tougher, I just would had to coach harder.

Train Mental Skills On Purpose

Ryan 5:01

And you know, the thing that comes to my mind is Winter Ball, when we used to have a drill called the Mat Room, and I used to be in charge of the mat room and I'd crank the heat up to 85, 90 degrees, and they'd have to come into this room that was this kind of dark and dingy room with wrestling mats, and and then I'd, you know, I'd do all kinds of crazy stuff and make them slide on their bellies from here to over here and all these directions of up-downs and whatever, and I'd make it almost impossible for them to be able to execute it without making mistakes and then send them back. And and it was the hardest station by far in winter bowl. And I used to think like just make it harder is going to flush out the weak and is going to make the strong stronger. And um, that was before me understanding like the value of you know, understanding mental, mental skills, right? And and how to train the mind to be able to do hard things. And so I I bring that up as a preface to say, like, don't just do hard things to do hard things, like do hard things intentionally to learn how to do hard things. Does that make sense? Like, and if you have some form of a mental model, one of the mental models that we learned from Navy SEALs was the big four of mental toughness, which we've kind of morphed and used in different ways. But the big four of mental toughness is breath control, positivity, vision visualization, and micro goals. And like, how do you use those in an interconnected way? We use our model called BADA in an interconnected way. So when things get you train it before you go out and do the hard thing, like you learn how to use it, and then when you're out doing the hard thing, you employ it. So you actually get better at doing hard things while you're doing the hard thing. It's not just the act of doing the hard thing in of itself.

Heidi 6:46

Yeah, it's a skill set that goes along with being able to do the hard thing, the mental skills. And then that is the piece that builds the credibility that I can handle anything. Because look at this, look at what I've done.

Ryan 7:01

You almost just lost me there because I started thinking about my program that I'm writing. I started thinking about ideas. I should probably bring a notepad while we're doing this podcast because I'm like, That's actually very real life, real time for us.

Heidi 7:11

Because whenever we're on our walks, you're like, write this down, send me an email, send me a note.

Ryan 7:17

I used to carry a little journal with me in my pocket, and I need to get back to doing that because I'm back in a it's been a long time. I'm super excited, feeling so fulfilled right now because I'm back in one of my creative modes where I've made enough space in my life to be creative, and I'm just so much happier when I do that that I'm just working.

Heidi 7:37

I love that because a lot of times I don't like to bring my phone, and I know you don't either when we go on walks. So if you have like a little notepad, that would be perfect. Maybe I'll just write it down.

Ryan 7:47

I'll I'll start doing that again. Anyway, we just got off track. So credible credibility. Uh so give me an example of how you, we uh have and we haven't been perfect in this, but we're getting better at it. Uh do hard things consistently, either daily, weekly, or whatever that might look like. Like, so let's just talk about that a little bit.

Heidi 8:10

Well, first of all, permission to not be perfect to everyone because who's perfect at anything? I don't know anyone. Yeah, right. So let's just say that first. Yeah.

Ryan 8:22

Progress and the process within the pursuit is never going to be perfection. That's what we that's what we coach, the three Ps. We set a goal to pursue it, we go do hard things. So we in the process of doing hard things, and we can notice progress in that pursuit.

Rucking As A Family Practice

Heidi 8:41

Yeah. Uh so example the Sunday rucks.

Ryan 8:45

So tell me about those.

Heidi 8:47

So this last Sunday we did seven miles. I think it was seven-ish miles.

Ryan 8:51

Yeah, I think it's closer to eight. It's like seven and a half, eight, yeah.

Heidi 8:54

Uh that's not the point though. The point is just that we as a family went out and did something hard.

Ryan 9:00

So let's pull it back just to make sure that we're not going to go into assumption. What's a rock?

Heidi 9:04

It's a weighted hike.

Ryan 9:07

A weighted hike, walk, hike, walk, yeah, hills, whatever. Okay.

Heidi 9:12

Yeah, that's yeah. Thank you for clarifying that because I forget that people listening might not know what that is. So yeah, they're like, what the hell?

Ryan 9:20

When I first heard about rucking, I was like, What's a rock? I don't know what a rock is. It's carrying a backpack, right? Whatever. Yeah.

Heidi 9:26

Yeah. So you put on a weight vest, a backpack full of weights, whatever you have. Um you uh you and our son uh like to carry kettlebells as well, which gets some interesting looks from passerby. When you're ki when you're wearing a 50-pound weight vest and holding a kettlebell over your head walking down the road.

Ryan 9:47

A little side story real quick, and we'll get into it more, but it's last this last Sunday. We're in the middle of a neighborhood because we actually go on this loop where we have to go through the neighborhood and then we get out into nature a little bit, uh, and then we come back into our neighborhood. But we're in the middle of this neighborhood in Colton, who loves to, you know, force me to do the same things I have have him do. A lot of this time it's his idea. He goes, um, expect the unexpected plank hold. So, you know, weight vests on all four of us as a family in the middle of a sidewalk.

Heidi 10:27

We were in front of someone's driveway.

Ryan 10:28

In somebody's driveway doing planks, and then he's like, push up, down, up, push up, down, up. And I'm thinking to myself, this is awesome. First of all, my 13-year-old son's the one who's leading this to make it even harder, and it's his idea, and we're following along as a family, and it that is super cool and fun for me. But then I think to myself, what will other people think driving by? And I I don't care, but I just find it humorous.

Heidi 10:58

Yeah. I thought about if the person opened their garage door and we're all out there doing plagues on their driveway.

Ryan 11:04

Yeah. So you carry the and what what ends up happening, especially carrying the extra kettlebell, for me personally, this I I love learning about myself, right? So all of doing hard things, and to me, the the underlying mental skill, this is where I'm looking at my actually three aspects, my three buckets of of building confidence right now in my whiteboard because I've been teaching it to a lot of people. So there's three basic principles it's process, mental skills, and credibility. But then they weave, they weave like crazy all the time. Yeah, there's all this overlap. Overlap, yeah. Which I'm I'm assuming this is gonna turn into a series of podcasts about confidence because we're starting with credibility. So is is awareness. Awareness is a mental skill. And here's what I'm I'm studying a lot right now from a scientific perspective is we're nowhere near as aware as we think we are.

Heidi 12:01

Oh, yeah. Not even close, right?

Ryan 12:03

So if you you think, oh, I'm a pretty aware person, like you're less aware than you think. And this is me too. Like, I'm less aware than I think I am. And so I love to go do something and then watch my mind. Watch my mind like resist it, kick back, create narrative. And what I have found is in the first mile, I try to talk myself out of carrying the kettlebell. And I'm even like, you can sit it down right here, and no one, no one's gonna care, no one's gonna know.

Heidi 12:28

Go back this. It's like when you pick up a dog poop with the dog bag, and you're like, I'll I'll come back and get this later.

Ryan 12:34

So I I have been taking a 25-pound kettlebell. My goal is to work up to a 40-pound, which you know, I'm not trying to do, you know, it's not a competition, but it's just to do the hard thing to to be able to further watch the mind kick and scream. And it it's kind of like going back to Mike Tyson, uh, may had some quote or in an interview somewhere, he said, like, I don't start counting sit-ups until they get hard. Right? The training that we're talking about that creates the ability to use mental skills, and in this case, really the big four of mental toughness of breath control and positivity, visualization of microgoals, it doesn't really start until you're like, Okay, this sucks.

Heidi 13:18

Yeah, I now I just connected a dot because every time we do something like that, there's a point where you go, Okay, now we're training.

Ryan 13:26

Yeah, and I always and I say it out loud because it's an affirmation that like I can't, I'm not gonna be able to just keep walking, yeah, and and carry a normal conversation and just be walking and like, oh, look at that, that's a nice house. Like your mind doesn't work that way anymore. You know, because when you're out for a walk without a ruck pack, you're without a without a way to invest, you're you're like looking around and listening to the birds, and you're and you're in conversation and you're you're probably complaining about something or observing something or whatever your mind is doing. It's it's judging, it's analyzing, it's complaining, it's it's doing, it's processing, it's planning, it's doing what it does on its own. But all of a sudden, now you cross that probably about four miles-ish, three or four miles of carrying this weight and carrying this kettlebell and switching it back and forth. And of course, we add elements to it of like holding it over our head and shoulder presses and curls and and different things with it to make it harder. Uh then it's then the mind turns into like, uh, like what are you doing? Like, you know, it starts to really it tries to resist it, right? It tries to get you to stop, turn around.

Heidi 14:35

Yeah. How much further do we have to go? How much longer?

Ryan 14:38

What and then it starts to hurt. Your feet start to hurt, maybe your knees are hurting from me. I have a hip issue that I'm working through. And so that starts to really just grab my attention. My attention goes from just it being wherever to being pulled down into my body of being like, This sucked, this is hard. How much longer can I make it? Am I gonna be able to make it today? All this stuff.

Heidi 14:59

Or maybe it's hot outside or whatever.

Ryan 15:01

Right, you start sweating, you're sweating pretty good, whatever it is. And so then now we're training. So now you begin to use the the mental skills. Now you begin to breathe. Um, and we're gonna do another session on mental skills, or maybe a multiple of them, but you begin to breathe and you know, and be aware of your internal dialogue, and you begin to uh, you know, have to like set micro goals and visualize yourself, like so legitimately. You're like, there's the next mailbox, let's get there. And you begin to train your mind to operate that way. So you're doing the physic physical thing that forces you to employ the mental skill. And then so when you're back out going through life and you get a hard phone call and that email or whatever, you're like, I can handle this because you made it through that. And here's what I'm gonna tell you my experience, whenever I've pulled back from doing hard things for a while, for whatever reason, got busy, forgot, just got distracted. What it wasn't a priority, I'm not as good at it. That part of the brain, the mid-singular cortex, begins to shrink.

Heidi 16:06

So and then life gets hard in other ways.

Cold Tub Resistance And Micro Goals

Ryan 16:09

Yeah, and and all the crave that's beginning to seem like it seems like it's dying down a little bit, the cold exposure stuff. You don't see it. I don't maybe I'm not paying, I don't, I'm not on, I haven't actually I can't speak because I'm not on social media at all personally. So so I don't know. But it is still talked about as one of the main training tools, and it is a great training tool for but I I don't care about the immune system piece, I don't care about all the other components of whatever. I mean, uh stress relief, sure, whatever, it's great. I care about the one aspect of it for me personally, is that I don't want to do it.

Heidi 16:44

Yeah, so it's a great mental training.

Ryan 16:46

Last night I did I was getting in my cold tub before bed. Uh, I have a new routine in the evenings of sauna and cold exposure in the evenings. And so it takes about 30 minutes total. And I legitimately was over. I found I didn't even realize I was doing this. I walked out of the sauna, I walked over like and was like hiding behind my truck. I like I walked away from the ice bath, I walked over to the side of the truck on the passenger side, and my forehead was against the window of the truck, and I was sitting there and I kind of came to going aware of what I was doing. I'm like, what am I doing? Why am I over here? And I realized I'm like hiding from the ice tub. I don't want to go in there right now. And so I walked back over and talked myself into it and overcame that resistance. How? Breathe. Let go of judgment, right? See yourself doing it, get in, and then it's about micro goals. Can you do it for a minute? Can you do it for two? Can you do it for three?

Heidi 17:43

You're inspiring me because I hate doing the cold tub and I haven't been doing it. So call myself out there in front of everybody.

Ryan 17:52

So that that's the personal aspect of doing hard things that is that you have to and yeah, I I I would I want to scream from the top of a mountain sometimes about like the value of developing these mental skills, of how it just adds so much to your life. And and the mental skills is to me is the foundation of confidence. Like, trust me, when you can regulate your state with your breath, when you can use your mind and have incredible internal dialogue and self-talk, when you can create images in your mind uh of you doing things and being strong and being centered and being adaptable and resilient, when you can know that you can break things down into microcosmic steps that you know you can achieve. Maybe the like even this big project I'm taking on right now, like it's when I looked at the whole idea and I realized what was coming into my awareness of what I was taking on, it was overwhelming. And then I thought, okay, well, write the first lesson and record that video. Oh, I can do that. That's easy. That'll take me 15 minutes, right? Well, and then do the next one, and then do the next one, and then today, this this week, here's my goal. Then today, this is my goal, and then this in the next hour, this is my goal. And then, like, oh, well, guess what? That's how my mind works. My mind works that way because I train it to do that. So there's the personal self-advocacy of being able to actually like train your mind, get it to work that way, get through the hard thing, get to the end of it. And and that is incredible. Like Colton, who loves to do these things with us, and I I promise you, if you're listening, that there's some nudging that happens with our daughter, there's zero nudging that I have to do with my our son. And if anything, it's I have to pull him back. I have to tell him, like, he was about he picked up the 25-cound kettlebell this last Sunday. And I was like, No, you're not making it with that. And then he got mad at me and he's like, I'm gonna make it. And then so I let him carry it for a while, and then he was like, You want to switch because I had the 15-pounder and I knew that I was gonna get my 25-pound kettlebell back at some point. So uh it's a long way to carry a kettlebell.

Heidi 20:07

It's a long way, yeah. And your grip starts to get that's what I noticed too, is that your grip starts to get sore.

Ryan 20:13

Afterwards, he says, Dad, that got so hard, I thought I was gonna cry. And I thought, how cool is that? All right, that he was willing to put himself in that type of situation at 13 years old to like do something that invoked emotion enough to where he had overcome that. And then we talk through it, like as we're going through it. Like we're we're walking by this guy mowing his lawn, and Haley starts going, easy day, peace of cake. And we start chanting with her. We got this. Oh yeah. Well, guess what? That's self-talk. Yeah, and now you now your mind's being programmed when something gets that hard again to the same level of hardness that you were at at that point when you started chanting that and using mantra, that gets imprinted into your mind, into your cells, into your body at that same level of hardness. So the next time you come up to that same threshold of hardness, guess what your mind does?

Heidi 21:11

Easy day. Yeah, has a reference. Easy day.

Ryan 21:16

Oh yeah. And you don't even have to think it, it does it on its own.

Heidi 21:20

And I love the identity that that builds when you are doing it publicly, also. Because this guy mowing his lawn, like he peeped his head over, he's like, What is going on? This family walking down. No, it's just those crazy people again. Okay, that's all right. You know, so it builds that identity for them as we're somebody who who takes on a challenge. Yeah, absolutely.

Ryan 21:43

And doesn't cause the thing is everybody wants to be that. So if you're sitting here, oh well, gee, but like everybody wants to be the person who approaches a challenge. And you should. You have to start doing it, right? Whether it's going for a walk or carrying a ruck, and just so proud of my family too, because this is Something I've been doing for years, but then for me to not even talk about it, and for you to be the person who orders the weight vests for you and Haley. So now all four of us have a weight vest. Everybody's gonna be carrying something, even if it's two and a half pounds, you're gonna carry something.

The Home Team Connection Effect

Ryan 22:17

Um makes it harder to walk their dogs, but but then I would say above and beyond that, the where we started this conversation of doing it as a family is I feel more connected at the that evening, the next day, it lasts for days, in my opinion.

Heidi 22:35

It's the team dynamic.

Ryan 22:36

Yeah, man. You just you feel like a team, right? And in all the team building and culture building and leadership development that we do for sports and for organizations, and it's like, man, don't forget to focus on the most important team.

Heidi 22:51

Yeah, right. Your home team.

Ryan 22:52

The home team, like Rocky baby, home team. And uh we're Rocky Baba fans, if you didn't know that already, pretty obvious, but uh yeah, to do it to to to take all these same exact principles and practices and do the things right and and to do it, right?

Heidi 23:08

So yeah, I work harder when my kids are watching.

Ryan 23:11

100%.

Heidi 23:12

It's like I don't want them to quit, I don't want them to give up on anything that they want to accomplish, so I won't.

Ryan 23:18

Yeah, yeah. You just sparked a memory. And we had actually talked about this today on our walk for like two minutes. Um, years ago, Colton was probably seven or eight, maybe. So what is that? You know, six, yeah, six or seven years ago. Um he started coming into the gym because he liked he always came into the gym ever since he was a baby, but he started coming in the gym like regularly and like wanting to do things. And I remember thinking to myself, oh no, but this is my time, this is my space, it's my gym. It's you know, it's mine, right? And so I was kind of annoyed with him being in the way or whatever. And then I remembered, like, what are you doing? Like, there's this window of time, and he's my why. He's he my children, you know, are my why, and my family is my why. And so, like, all of a sudden now you put him right in front of you. And it is no question now, years later, that I train harder with him. And now we train together every single day. And now it's a connecting thing, now it's something that brings us together and it's our joy, and it's like it's our hobby together, right? And it's like it's so beautiful. But I had to get out of my own way, I had to get out of like this is my time, and I had to make it about him. So now, even today, the program that we follow is a program that I had written for him at his age to develop for where he what his goals are. Like, I'm not going in there going, what do I want to do today? And then he has a fault. Like, I'm like, no, what are we doing today that's best for you? And I will modify a little bit or do a little bit less weight in certain things. But um, but it's it's make it's putting your why right in front of you.

Heidi 25:08

Yeah, I love it so much. I love it.

Ryan 25:10

And you guys been you and Haley have been going to to bar together, which and getting up at yeah, we go at like 12-year-old, she's getting up at five four thirty in the morning to go to a bar. Like, man, so good.

Heidi 25:23

Yeah, we've been having a lot of fun with it, and it's great balance and coordination and all those pieces. But more than anything, it's just building a habit.

Ryan 25:32

Just building a and then we and then when she's watching you, you work harder. Right? And then it may you feel more connected. It's like, it's like I have grow I grew up as a family or my family prioritized eating meals together. Like my mom was huge on it. Like ever almost every, especially in the summer months, we met maybe it was like three meals a day together. Like we sat at the table, full table was set, you know, huge meals, you know. It's a our family was, you know, kind of a farm family, right? And so that was always the case. And we still we we do that too, but not nearly as much as as we did growing up. And um, I would say this is more important, in my personal opinion, is to go out and consistently do hard things together as a family and then have the conversations about it and work through the mental skills and to and uh and to debrief it and what you made a huge breakfast after we got back from the wreck on Sunday, and that was the time to come together and then talk about hey, look at that, we just did that.

Heidi 26:36

That's so cool.

Ryan 26:37

And now what do you want the rest of the day to be about? Yeah. So we're gonna do another one this weekend?

Heidi 26:44

Yeah, Sunday, I think. Are we?

Ryan 26:45

Yeah, unless we're on the boat. So we're taking the boat out, yeah. That'll the water, it's been so cool out that the water will be cold, that'll be something hard to overcome some resistance just to get yourself in the water.

Start Small And Keep It Consistent

Ryan 26:58

Yeah, so I would my my challenge, let's end with the challenge, would be start small, right? You know, and people ask, like, how do you get your family involved? I get that question quite a bit from parents and people. I'm like, first of all, you gotta model it. You gotta be the person who's doing it. You can't say that you're a has been, right? You you you have to look in the mirror and you have to say, like, I'm willing to continue to do hard things, yep. And you know, until the end, right? Like, I'm just gonna forever do hard things. And so wherever you are, like everybody has a different Mount Everest, man. So, like, you know, maybe it's not starting with a ruck, maybe it's not carrying a kettlebell, but we did a burpee challenge for a while.

Heidi 27:41

We were doing a certain amount of burpees every day.

Ryan 27:43

Like it could be anything, it could be anything. It was like we're doing like 20 or 25 a day. Yeah, it was it, yeah, right. Yeah, so it it could be a no numerous thing, so it doesn't have to be, you know, the big audacious, scary thing that you never do again, but because consistency is so incredibly important as well. Yeah, awesome. So go do hard things.

Heidi 28:05

Yeah.

Ryan 28:06

That's all I got. Yeah. Awesome. How do you want to end

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Ryan 28:11

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Heidi 28:11

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Ryan 28:23

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Heidi 28:26

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Heidi 28:32

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Ryan 28:39

Awesome. Thank you for your time.